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Good morning. I read the article in the Oakland Press regarding the proposed tower. I had similar issues a few years back in respect to a
cell tower the city of Rochester hills allowed to be put up 150 feet from my lot line. If I remember correctly the cell company sweetened the deal by allowing the city to use the tower for emergency communications....why can't they just use the already existing nearby cell
tower? I'm sure they could somehow tie into that, perhaps you've already presented the idea, I just know how frustrating it feels.

good luck,
Deb Wren


please go to http://www.energyfields.org

this is not something anyone would want in their community. the potential
damage to the community health is still uncertain.

- Clint Cherney


I agree with you Rita, this is an outrage.

I think with the most recent 'gas line explosion' last night, we've just proved that the safety of the citizens was not compromised. In fact, communication was fabulous.
So, why do we need the tower,....hmmmmm, I think it's more for the future 'cell phone providers' that the board 'slipped' in at the end of their approval 'vote'...(dictatorship)

I seriously think the channel seven problem solvers need to be involved. There is corrupt government in action, and a DEEP investigation needs to be conducted.
Was the original property 'willed' to the county?....was it requested to stay a park?
Who changed the ordinances behind closed doors to OK the building of the town hall in the first place..
Each of the present and past board members needs to be investigated.
Something is not right here.

I am also sorry to say, that I think we need a 'shark' of a lawyer.
Although our lawyer is a very knowledgeable and nice man, we need a shark, because in a sense we are asking him to deal with sharks.

Corrupt local government is newsworthy.


By reducing the height of the tower from 256' to 199' hasn't the township eliminated the coverage area right back to the pre-tower coverage we currently have. In the Eccentric Newspaper it noted the township currently has a dead coverage area of approx. 7 percent. Is it really necessary or worth the money to build a tower where residents don't want it to expand its coverage area by 2 percent???? It appears we are currently represented by total idiots? Come on officials......this is ridiculous!

- Patricia Thomas


At the last meeting there was great irony when the planning commission was talking about how they refrain from voting or input when
there is an issue that they have a vested interest in. They talked about how they leave the room, so there can be no influence.

But when the board of trustees met to decide on the location of the tower at Blue Heron, two members of the board who live right next to Blue Heron of which one is the supervisor of the board, voted against the tower. It seems to me that this is all lip service that they have made up their minds from the start that it was going to be at the Township Hall. How can they decide on this issue if they have a vested interest. This does not seem right. Of course they are going to vote against it.

Furthermore I can't believe that we do not have more time to find the right location for everyone. Miss Coates of CLEMIS is trying to strong arm the Township into thinking they have to decide right now. If they need this so bad, I can't believe they won't wait another few months.


What is the point of defacing our community this way!? This tower will be a total waste of money and land within a year, not to mention the depreciation our homes will be hit with. Obviously the Townships concerns are not with its citizens. This needs to be reevaluated now!

- Elsie Schimon


Comments: We already have a cell tower in Goodison. The benefits of a second tower couldn't possibly be that great, and the township certainly is not thinking about the people who have to live with it in their backyards. These towers are dangerous and seriously devalue our properties. There are far better places for it to be put. This has not been well thought out or planned. I am very disappointed with the leaders of this community.

- Rudolf Schimon


We already have a cell tower in Goodison and I feel a second tower would be absurd, since they are so closely spaced. It's never been a necessity up to this point. What is the dire need now?
There are far better locations for this tower, if it is in fact needed. It was recommended
that the intersection of Collins and Buell would be the most central location to the Township. The tower will be unsightly and devalue my property greatly.

This is a historical community and it should not be defaced by something so costly and unnecessary.

- Frederick Schimon


The  only  way  to  stop  this  flagrant  disregard  for  the  township  residents  is  to  let  these  self-serving   people
at  Township  Hall  know  that  there  will  be  consequences  for  their  actions ,  such  as  losing  their  jobs.
Could  someone  with  any  phone  lists,  addresses and e-mails  ON   ALL   PEOPLE  involved  in  this  greedy  financial  grab
please  post  the  info  on  this  web  site  so  we  can  bombard  these  people  and  get  their  attention.  Only  when  THEIR
lives  are  impacted  will  they  act  to  benefit  others ! ! ! ! !  

- Gary


I have been a resident of Oakland Township/Snell Rd. for thirty eight (38) years. I have seen farm field after farm field converted into subdivision after subdivision. The rural character/country charm of Oakland Township is virtually gone. Within ten years there will be no more open fields (with the exception of the Township Parks) to remind us of the true character and beauty of Oakland Township. The greed of developers and builders and the township board 'Rolling Over' on every development request will destroy what once was Oakland Township. We will have a city and might as well rename it Oakland! The population explosion has turned my quaint road into a crowded street with speeding cars all day long. With all the above said, the addition of a tower just adds to the destruction! We as a township or community have functioned fine without a tower. It is not a necessity for survival. There is someone or some company/corporation looking to profit from this endeavor and as always the agenda is HIDDEN! This has got to be one of the most ludicrous and poorly thought out ideas I have seen yet in our beloved township. This monstrous metal tower will harshly clash with the natural woods and topography of the land. This is not Southfield or Troy, it's Oakland Township!!! The board has got to think with their brains! But the board will not let you speak. At last night's meeting it was not allowed. Maybe my memory of what I was taught in our schools has faded a bit but I thought there existed this right called FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!! It appeared to me that the board had already made the decision and we poor Bastards got to watch in silence and be forced to accept another Board Blunder. Why is there not a township resident vote to really let the PEOPLE decide if they want this tower constructed in their back yards????? If the Board will not let us speak at the Township Meeting then let us vote. It's the democracy I was taught in school. Government of the people, by the people, for the people. Amen.

- Ron Schimon


I was at the last meeting and I can not attend this one. I find it repulsive that the Oakland County deputy played the 'terrorism' card. And how does his being shot in the line of duty make any relevant sense here? I's sorry that happened but it has no bearing on our back yard. And what about our fire chief? Bill Benoit works for us!! We don't work for him. He too played the terrorism card and the 'what if you are in that 4% non coverage area'. As it turns out that 4% is mostly fields in Western Stoney Creek Park. It looks like the 4% is a non-issue. Unless you are a deer or muskrat. So, put a repeater on the Addison tower at 32 Mile and Dequindre. Put one on the cell phone mono-pole in Goodison. And a third on the North East Auburn Hills lattice tower.That should do it nicely. Also; please ask Mr. Benoit why his township paid for white truck doesn't have any official markings?A FREE truck on us! Without any township insignia. There oughta be a law about that.

-Martin Rosalik


What else can be done if the approval of this takes place. What else can I do to help.

- Bruce Szopo


Besides earning large salaries, public officials are always looking for ways to catapult their careers to the next level. And If they ruin your town in the process , well........... that's just collateral damage.  Call Patterson and tell him where he can put his Tower.


If this tower is really for public safety, why are they building it in a hole?  MONEY...... FOLLOW THE MONEY!   Call Brooks Patterson. Let him and his investors know how you feel about his 'TECHNOLOGICAL CLOUD'.    NOT IN GOODISON! .... NOT IN GOODISON!


Take a ride through Oakland County and see what's been done to our landscape. Towers are everywhere, and they're all shapes and sizes- from large, to very large, to HUGE (AND ALL ARE UGLY). County officials say that these towers are erected for our 'safety,' but do you feel any safer? How about cancer survivors? Do they feel safer? Would they choose to live under one of these with the radiation
threat? We moved here to leave all that behind!

ANGRY TOWNSHIP RESIDENT


Property Values:

If this Tower goes up in Goodison, I hope all of you will be keeping track of how much the value of your property has dropped. Then we should have the basis for a class action suit to recoup monetary damages from Oakland Township. After all, it is not like Oakland Township officials didn't know this was going to happen.

- Goodison Resident


Why doesn't the fire dept. just purchase radios with the same frequency as the sheriffs dept. our fire chief loves to buy new toys. although I suppose the tower would be a lasting monument to him.


The placement of this tower in our small community is an outrage. By definition, according to Joan Fogler, a Township is 6 miles by 6 miles; 36 miles in total. There are few public building s in Oakland Township; we are primarily residential. The families that have moved to this area did so seeking the aesthetics of a rural setting. A handful of township officials, who supposedly represent we residents, seem to be caving in to those who will benefit financially from the construction of this tower, and ignoring the actual desires and needs of this community.

The individuals promoting this tower's placement have no vested interest in our community; they are paid employees , who live elsewhere. The fire marshall and police officer who are recommending this metal monstrosity to us may be fine firemen and police chiefs, but are not trained communication experts. Yesterday, as we were speaking to a friend from Colorado, currently on a 71 foot sailboat in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, using only his hand held satellite telephone to speak to us, we were wondering why we needed a new tower of any kind, let alone 200 feet tall, to communicate with other individuals within a 3 mile radius.

Fear tactics are being used to sway our community; fear tactics, and invented percentages that mean very little. Percentages create false impressions; 60% agree/disagree - 60% of how many?? perhaps 6? The size of the sample, as well as educational background and other demographics, are more important, but no one ever asks for that information.

If residents are afraid to remain in Oakland Township in the absence of a communication tower such as that which is being recommended to us, they would always have the option of moving. For those of us who have selected Oakland Township for its historical significance and natural beauty, and have invested literally millions of dollars in our properties, wishing to retain the character of our surroundings, we soundly object to this tower, and completely oppose it's placement. We insist on being recognized and respected. The minority has no right to control the majority in this country - that is NOT what being 'American' means !

- Colleen and Mike King


We here in Independence Township also were told that the tower that was to be erected among homes was for ONLY emergency communications. Now the township has sold or rents out every inch of this tower and only the township knows if every site is for emergency use. Just cover all your bases. Our tower was originally to be erected in Springfield Township but someone in the Springfield Township government did not want the tower near his home so Independence Township was sought out.

At the time our tower was erected several homes in the area still received their TV signals via roof antennas. The tower and the antennas did not mix well and the antennas lost the battle for good reception with the large tower.


The following is an e-mail that was sent to jcreech@oaklandtownship.org

As President of a homeowners association, I am replying to Mr. Creech's e-mail to a member of this association. In an e-mail dated Friday, March 18th, 2005, Mr. Creech stated, "our Ordinances require that antennas like these be placed upon existing towers, if possible." It is my understanding that space is available on the cellular tower located on Orion Road north of Collins. Has this site been researched and what were the findings?

Also, I would like clarification regarding the placement of the tower within Stony Creek Metro Park where a "Sprint Tower has been located for three years" or at Bald Mountain State Park. Mr. Creech stated that the tower could, through special land use, be placed on institutional property. Then why was the primary site at Blue Heron Park rejected? I understand that the entire Park is not in the conservancy easement and the Township Board still owns and maintains this property. At the December 15th, 2004, Parks and Recreation
Commission Meeting (PRC) Ms. Milos-Dale stated, "The Board may override the easement if necessary for the health, safety and welfare" of its citizens. In the PRC Board Minutes dated February 8th, 2005, it is recorded that the"Oakland Land Conservancy (OLC) will allow it (tower) in the Blue Heron Park." Has this site been rejected because of the objections of two Board members who live in that area?

The location at The Oakland Township Hall, which Mr. Creech claims, "would be less intrusive" is not to all the residential property owners surrounding the Hall. Especially since it will be located in the center of a residential area, off a Scenic Road in the State Historical Site of Goodison. Also, placing the tower at the Township Hall, which is the most southern area of the locations, creates the coverage hole that you have noted. This location is in a low and hallow area requiring a taller and more expensive tower. I also understand, there is not a one-half blackout because of the coverage we have from the Addison, Rochester Hills, Orion and Macomb area towers. During an EMS
call to my home, which is lower than the Township Hall and surrounded by two hills, the Para-medic's talked with hand held radios to Doctor's at Criterion Hospital.

I am also requesting information pertaining to the 50 private property sites that were researched and why they were dismissed. If the Blue Heron site was taken off the table so soon and not researched as stated by Ms. Coats at the March 1st, 2005, meeting, then why does the Parks and Recreation Commission Minutes dated January 19th, 2005, state that research was gathered from Cornell University and a study of flight paths were carried out to determine the"area of least disturbance". Interestingly, this paragraph and the study map were subsequently deleted from the recommendation to the Board. Are the PRC and OLC taking presidency over the elected Board whose charge is to represent the citizens of Oakland Township?

If the fire station located on Rochester Road has a restriction against such use of land for a tower, why isn't the Township Hall and Fire Station located in Goodison also restricted? I understand this property was originally designated as a nature park and a promise was made to our citizens that a tower would never be placed there.

The CLEMIS initiative started in 2002. Why have our citizens just learned about this issue, and are suddenly faced with a May 2005 deadline? Other communities have not signed on to this system and are not operational. We will not be the only community isolated from communications. The Oakland County Sheriff's personnel claim they cannot communicate from"the basement of their office". My question is WHY ARE THEY IN THE BASEMENT INSTEAD OF THE TOWNSHIP HALL????

Radio Frequency (RF) and towers are considered to be old technology. Maybe we should be considering what is currently being used in industry, commerce and the Navy - a satellite. Mr. Creech further states that "if the tower is not used and does become obsolete by ordinance it is required to come down." Who is responsible for paying for the removal of the tower???

These are just a few of the questions that need to be answered from an Oakland Township taxpayer's perspective. I'm eagerly awaiting your response being that I have not received a reply to the first e-mail I sent to you, PRC and Board Members. I'm confident that when given research based and accurate information, the citizens of Oakland Township will support what is best for our community.

- Bob Pears


Is there an Oakland twp. landowner in the "search area" (Rochester Rd. North of Gunn) willing to locate this monopole (antenna to 199') and a 40'x40' spot on their property in exchange for the future revenue stream (CLEMIS only needs a lot that is 40'x40')

We assume the future stream of payments would be great, considering the lengths Oakland Twp. is willing to go to keep this tower on land "they own".

- Concerned Resident


I think it would be helpful to notify concerned citizens on your web site of the upcoming meetings at the Township Hall(i.e., next Tuesday (March 22nd) and April 5th. NUMBERS of concerned citizens are important. Very few people showed up last Tuesday (March 15th) at the OT Parks/Rec Committee meeting (which of course, was a joke--they denied knowing anything and 'cannot DO anything' about the Tower and variance). Please--------show up on these dates to show your support of STOPPING THIS TOWER.

- Judy Murdoch


GET THE LEGAL ACTION STARTED...........DON'T WASTE ANY TIME

- CONCERNED RESIDENT


MY CONCERN IS ABOUT INCREASED RADIATION OVER OUR HEADS

The question about whether an increase in radiation will harm our children will not be answered in the near future. Because of the advances in technology, the last 20 years have brought about many changes in our lives that increase the amount of radiation we all absorb daily.

Microwave ovens
Emergency Towers
Smoke detectors
Cell Towers
Baby monitors
X-rays – Doctor visits, Dentist visits
Mobile phones
Nuclear Testing/Reactors
Laptop computers
Surgery

It may be another 20 years before the question is answered. By then, this generation of young people may be suffering an untold amount of health problems. But what I do know about radiation is that it accumulates in the body.

Therefore:
-None is better than some
-Less is better than more

I also know that I am NOT willing to take a chance on my children's health. HOW ABOUT YOU?

The risk is not worth it. The price is far too high.

Oakland Township Resident


Joan Fogler and Sharon Creps rejected using the preferred location, Blue Heron Park because they live right there. (We have the minutes from the meeting and it’s all there in black and white.) They say point blank, they don’t want to put the tower there because it’s right across the street from where they live! Blue Heron Park is a better location because no trees have to be cut down and the system works better in that location. Plus, it isn’t in a residential area, near a school. This fight isn’t just about a tower, this fight is about accountability
and integrity. This tower symbolizes the blatant abuse of power by our local government officials and it needs to stop! If this is not illegal it
is at the very least highly unethical. We must demand that our government officials honor their duty to protect and serve the people who elected them. Not protect and further their own personal agendas!

- Amy Pais-Richer


As a resident of Oakland Township I strongly oppose placing this tower on to Goodison site. I was present at township meetings when the
cellular tower was placed in Goodison and witnessed township the supervisor and officials promise residents there would not be another
tower, emergency or cellular in the Goodison area. What happened to those promises? My question is, Isn't the township site zoned residential with a special land use variance for the fire station and the township hall? How can the township and the tower officials consider placing this tower on residential property?

- Sally Clark


Everyone Help!

I do not have the emails to the board members and to the media. If anyone out there has the emails, please forward this web page,
highlighting the community forum to not only the board members, but to the papers, Channel 2,4,7, and to the Problem Solvers, and the Hall of Shame. (Channel 7 already did a story on us, and they need to follow the growing outrage,...see Monica Lewis at channel 7)

These board members need to be exposed and investigated as to why, the don't represent the people of this community, why they want to erect a tower that not only won't work inside the local schools, but is positioned several feet away from a day care center and elementary school, why they don't care about the radiation fall out that has been documented time and time again for causing cancer. (20/20 did a huge show on this) and is there a hidden agenda that needs to be exposed. We also need to ask them why they are placing this next to Mr. Smith's property line without his approval...it's 8 feet from his fence line. Also, all the secret dealings they have pushed through in the past need to be brought out in the light of day. Enough is Enough.

We also need to recall every person on that board and put local, yes people that actually live near here and care about the area, residents in that believe in democracy and the preservation of a community.

The meeting is tonight March 15th at 7:00pm Get there early!


Well done neighbors! Keep up the fight!  As a proud union teacher  I "specialize" in picket signs.  Need some?? 

- Phyllis Andrus


Radiation fall out from these towers has been linked to childhood cancer, and brain tumors.
Who in good conscience would purposely put people in danger.

Mr. Creech, you ordered the tower to be placed there after Ms Coates told you it couldn't go there because it was 8 feet from a property line.

You responded 'I want it there'

The tower that you do so want to shove down the throats of this town will not even transmit inside the schools in the event of an emergency.
So what is the point?

Are you in L. Brooks Pattersons wake of turning Oakland Co. into a 'technological cloud'?
Because you know, and the citizens know that once it's up, you'll just allow investors to hang their 'crap' all over it. Do you stand to make a profit from that?

There are a lot more question to be answered and I think an investigation on a larger scale should be launched.
Maybe a call to the problem solvers is in order.


I ask the township board to reflect on exactly what their 'job' entails.
Is your job description centered around the ruination of Goodison? Does it state to do whatever you please, with no regard to the needs or wants of the people?. Does it entail approving towers that are not only an eye sore, but potentially harmful to the citizens of this community with the radiation fallout.

If that is not what you've signed up for, then show your dignity now, ....step away from the 'gang' mentality that has become indicative of the township board, and please, one you, just one of you; be courageous enough to just say 'we've made a mistake, We'll seek other sites.'

I have to believe that there are at least some good people on the board, that have enough class to admit that this is a horrible mistake.

Please, end the dictatorship that this board has become, and 'stop the tower'.
The song, 'they paved paradise, and put up a parking lot' should not be your motto.

- Cathy Rooney


I visit often in the Goodison Hills Subdivision...I cannot imagine towers be erected in
such a beautiful location of Oakland Twp...it seems unreasonable and such an eyesore for
residents as well as those of us who frequent the area...I suggest more discussion should
be made of this unfortunate situation....and without any question...stop the towers from
being erected and disrupting the beauty of the area in question

- Concerned Citizen


This is the first I have heard of this proposal. I wonder why we need the tower and how we have survived without it so far. I have read the comments on the web site which are all against the towers construction. What I want to know is how will it benefit our community and me? Who is responsible for cramming this down our throats? Seems like a silly place to put a tower right in the heart of Goodison. Could they find an empty field somewhere? I feel sorry for those whose property values will be affected. I went to the township web site and could find no real information about the tower or its benefits. Looks like township officials are trying to pull one over on us. Can we really fight this?

- Greenbrook Hills Resident

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